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1 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 5:44:04pm

The problem is that Wagner still remains a powerful anti-Semitic symbol for Jews, particularly in Israel where most of the survivors live.

You are correct that other great composers espoused anti-Semitic views, but Wagner is different for many. While he lived way before Nazi Germany, he is still regarded as influencing the National Socialist movement during Hitler's time.

A good article is here. It's long, but can be summed up in these two paragraphs:

"I don't believe in tying music to racism. If we did, we would have to stop playing Chopin in Israel - he too was a rabid antisemite," says Nechama Rosler, a violinist with the Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra. "But, because Wagner's music arouses such deep emotions, I feel strongly that as long as it disturbs anyone who associates it with the Nazis, with his own or his family's suffering in the Holocaust, Wagner's music should not be played publicly. The function of music, after all, is to soothe, to make the listener feel good, to stimulate or pacify his or her soul. Whoever wants to hear Wagner's music can listen to it in private."

and the concluding paragraph:

The entire argument about playing Wagner in Israel does not, in reality, centre around the quality of his music. The question is not whether Wagner's music is of high or low quality, nor is the argument about how deep-seated was his antisemitism really relevant. There is no doubt that there have been other composers who were no less antisemitic. While it cannot be maintained that Wagner was directly responsible for German national socialism, there is no doubt that he was a powerful symbol in the Nazi era, and his music held a singular importance in the Nazi psyche. Thus, for Jewish survivors of the Nazi horrors, Wagner's music represents a vivid reminder of that regime. The argument that music must be separated from politics is not cogent in general, and certainly not in this case. If anybody introduced politics into music, it was Richard Wagner himself.

2 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 5:53:10pm

One more thing. Yonathan Livni knew that the concert would include Wagner's work, yet deliberately concealed it. That was terribly wrong. He most certainly knew that if he revealed the information, the university never would have agreed to it.

According to the article I quoted, there are folks who would like to have a public concert. However, I suspect that any concert publicly stating that he will be played would end up closing for the angry protests against it. So it is.

Maybe in another 100 years.

3 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 6:26:41pm

Wagner died in 1887, so he couldn't possibly have palled around with any nazis or endorsed "National Socialism." Whatever personal prejudices he might have held, which were pretty typical for the time, was not expressed in any of his work.

The Wagner-hate is totally irrational. Karl Marx admired Abraham Lincoln, does that make Lincoln a communist?

4 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 6:27:33pm

I had no idea Wagner was a shit head! This was news to me.

5 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 6:56:12pm

Johan Sebastian Bach was probably much more of an anti-Semite, Mozart too for that matter, but they don't cause the same freakout as Wagner.

Richard Strauss was actually the "official" composer of the Third Reich but his kids married Jews so again, he doesn't get the same freakout.

Right now I'm listening to the 3rd act overture of Lohengrin which I downloaded from Amazon.

6 sagehen  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 7:26:47pm

The story I'd heard was that Wagner was played so often by concentration camp staff in their offices, or over the loudspeakers, or in the factories Jews worked at weren't sent to extermination camps... that hearing the music was going to cause flashbacks and PTSD episodes in the survivors.

7 Three Chord Monty  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 8:45:47pm

re: #3 Learned Mother of Zion

Karl Marx admired Abraham Lincoln, does that make Lincoln a communist?

On Free Republic it would, I think...

8 Bob Levin  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 10:26:30pm

Personally, I'm a fan of the music the Nazis banned. If they're afraid of it, it's got to be good.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jun 4, 2012 10:42:51pm

re: #6 sagehen

The story I'd heard was that Wagner was played so often by concentration camp staff in their offices, or over the loudspeakers, or in the factories Jews worked at weren't sent to extermination camps... that hearing the music was going to cause flashbacks and PTSD episodes in the survivors.

Sure, it's a widespread legend. Although it is (for those who study the camps - quite obviously) untrue.


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